A Whole New World
Posted May 15th, 2008 by Isobelle
So, in one sweeping motion, I’ve gone and completely sold out on two separate
fronts. By rolling
Now I’m torn between bringing one of my toons over to this server with a bag full of gold, or just doing it the hard way, and leaving the Horde toons behind on Dreadmaul. PvP to PvE transfers are a one way street, though, and in the end, I figure I’d end up just regretting it later if I did.
Here's what I don’t understand: since Horde and
[1.General] Nubsauce: please
He was asking so politely, how could I refuse? I accepted the duel, beat him down to 5%, then just walked off as mobs aggroed to him and killed him. Awesome duel, bro. You’re welcome. Don’t mention it. Fast forward an hour or so and I’m back in the Exodar where people are spamming trade looking for tanks for a Crossroads raid.
Tanks.
Like “Taunt, Sunder Armor, Watch Your Threat” Tanks. Apparently a Crossroads
raid on a PvE server just involves killing the NPC guards, because no one is
going to bother flagging themselves for PvP to engage the other faction. I guess you showed them! And
people wonder why transfers are a one way street? Seriously? I’m not Gladiator
Joe, and honestly, I tend to focus on raid content on most of my toons. For all
intents and purposes, once I zone into
I’m interested to hear from you guys… why roll (or not roll) PvE? Is it worth it to bypass the drama of leveling around Hillsbrad / Southshore? Do you regret choosing one side or the other? At this point I’m still only level 16, but the vibe of the server just feeling so different, coupled with the fact that I’m seeing places like Stormwind for the first time (and have no idea where the bank / mailbox / AH is), all make it feel like I’m playing a totally different game. Maybe that alone will make it worthwhile in the end.
Probably not.
Personally, I have no regrets. I rolled a PvE server when I first started WoW and I haven't looked back. Looking back, I would have to say that I regret rolling PvE, as our "hardcore" guilds are stuck on Moroes in Kara, and the height of PvP battle occurs in Gurubashi Arena where everyone stands around the combat zone /tickling each other.
I suppose the plus side to PvE is that my memories of leveling are like those women's multi-vitamin commercials of two people leisurely strolling along a beach at sunset.
Personally, I have no regrets. I rolled a PvE server when I first
started WoW and I haven't looked back. Looking back, I would have to
say that I regret rolling PvE
self pwnt in the face?
I think he meant he would have regreted looking back because had he looked back, he would have regreted rolling PVE. Fortunately, He has not looked back and hence have no regrets, personally.
Captcha: eased acquicred
My good friend that has always played pvp from EQ to WoW with me went to PvE and I can't imagine how he does it. Normally at 2 in the morning, you'd start seeing a trail of dead bodies from mobs and get all giddy thinking you're gonna just gank the dude while he thinks he's alone... but now you do that and you get that feeling of "Oh God Damnit" when you do find him and he just /waves.
That's when depression sinks in, I believe.
You will only regret going PvE if you have that mean streak that makes you want to pick on lowbies. Since I don't have that "let's beat on a helpless random stranger" mean streak, I don't miss the PvP server.
Who said anything about lowbies? I do that stuff while leveling against people 5 levels higher ;)
Those fights are the most fun, when you can literally see in their character them thinking "What is this, oh no, where is my wing clip button?!"
F U carebear.
That's all I got.
Can't wait to kick off AoC on an FFA PvP server this weekend myself... so... yeah.
Seriously though, PvP and PvE servers in WoW have scarecly any difference to them. If you can't handle getting ganked, just run more instances. Problem solved. If you're on a high pop server, finding pugs at almost any level range shouldn't be a major issue. Putting up with their stupidity will still be one... but you won't be getting ganked. Seriously... since BGs got put in, PvE is practically PvP.
My first character was on a PvE server. Why? Because I had a friend who had already rolled on that server. He rolled a horde and I rolled an alliance. So in other words, it wasn't worth it anyhow.
Personally, I think that there is a huge difference between PvP and PvE. It all depends on what kind of player you are though. There is no reason to sit here and discuss which on is better, worse, or even why, because at the end of the day, we are all playing the game for various reasons. One reason may be more weighty to us than another, thus tipping the scale as to why you would rather roll a PvP or PvE toon.
As for me, I like to kill lowbies. I also like to kill highbies. I like the fact that at any moment I could get ganked and have to fight for my life. But I also like that I can log on to my 70 and camp the guy who tried to kill me if I lose. I like the fact that I am on the more "leet" of the two realms in the discussions and I also like that my account is worth more because it is on a PvP realm. I also take pleasure in that I leveled up a character in a tougher realm because I had to fend for my life often than in a "carebear" realm. Those are just a few reasons that I enjoy the PvP realm, but again, that is me.
I hated running into a horde in the Arathi Highlands and not being able to do anything about it. The entire game philosophy is Horde vs. Alliance. The two factions are supposed to hate each other. It doesn't seem to realistic to see an Orc Warrior killing your farmers and not being able to do diddly squat about it.
One of the posters had a good point though, ever since the realm absorbtion in BG's, PvE realms have a good shot at some PvP. But for me, it still just doesn't cut it. One of the rewards to hitting 70 is being able to go prowl on the noobs and kill them constantly. It's a vicious cycle, but it's fun as heck.
If you are a simple instance raider, then a PvE realm is the place to be. Why waste your time leveling up in a PvP realm having to do with constant ganking when all you want to do is run instances anyways? On the other hand, you forever limit yourself in case you ever want to know how that ganking feeling works. If I could have it perfect, I would probably consider rolling in a RPPvP realm. Not that I am into the Role-Playing thing, I just think that the players may be a little more mature than in my current realm, or any realm for that matter. (That is until all the realms are down and people ((like myself)) create toons in the RP realms and pick on all of the RP dorks.)
Just my 2 cents.
"I also take pleasure in that I leveled up a character in a tougher
realm because I had to fend for my life often than in a "carebear"
realm."
LOL.
Dude, it's fucking WoW. Leveling doesn't take shit, and world PvP and ganking doesn't even happen on any true scale anymore. Hasn't for years. There's no real special accomplishment to that.
Beg to differ sir. Leveling does take a decent amount of shit. See, everyone is rolling alts. That it doesn't take that much time, it's a whole other dish. And it also comes down to how much effort you're willing to put in a toon. If you gonna level it to 70 and call it a day, yes, that's not worth a lot.
Here's how i am. I'm a rogue to the core, and for my pursuit of perfection in mastering the class i'm rolling all other classes. I spend a little time in BGs in every bracket, and once the toon is 70, i aim to gear it up a bit. Now that takes time. But it's fun. It's fun to level a class and enjoy using an ability for the first time. My first 700 mortal strike crit with my warrior. My first aoe farm as a protadin. My first kills as a mage. The first time i got on top for the dps meters with my hunter in some heroic or kara. The pure unaltered joy of melting faces as a shadowpriest. Not dying as a lock. Yes, i'll always be a rogue, but every other class is fun.
So i assume i'm not the only one, everyone has more than one favorite class. You'll be meeting those people in hinterlands or smth. You'll pug scarlet monastery and uldaman with others. So i'd say leveling takes some shit.
And about "ganking", well, i guess it comes down to how you perceive it. 40vs40 ? Or 1v1 ? I had so many "epic" 1v1s on my alts i can barely remember. I also had loads of fun when a party of 5 people cleared the isle of quel'danas and forced the allies cowering behind guards. We also had some 3 40 men raids storming IF to kill the gnome king. What's ganking ?
You think PvE is bad, just try it on a RP server. It's like a PvE server, but with more nekkid night elves, /dance, /hug, /kiss and /hawtCyborz emoting going on.
Like you, I followed some friends to a PvE server out of pity. At first I thought it was kind of neat (I had a lot of fun questing in STV, something I had not done since release) but eventually the novelty wore off and the whole thing just became annoying.
1) I do not like dueling. I love PvP, but I think dueling is generally kind of silly. What you call Dueling Syndrome got very old, very fast. Eventually I found myself shuffling people off my ignore list every time I logged on so I had room for the assclowns who would spam duel invites at me. (Well, no... it is not that bad. I am just not very tolerant of people. I play with most public channels disabled and ignore anyone I am not in the mood to listen to. Your mileage may vary.)
2) People on PvE servers seek out world PvP by camping NPCs. Trudging fifteen minutes to a new lowbie zone only to find that all the NPCs at both quest hubs are being camped by level sixty-somethings looking for PvP is not my idea of fun.
3) You have to share. Do not get me wrong. I am not against sharing in theory. Sometimes I am just not in the mood. I found it frustrating that I could not chase people away from my farming spot or mining route when I wanted to.
Have you ever thought "you know, this would go so much faster if I could just kill other horde"?
That is how I would characterize the experience of questing and farming on a PvE server.
4) You cannot kill people for acting like douchebags. I am thinking of things like:
- running up and mining the node you were at first
- tagging a mob you were going to attack
- taking a chest/resource node you were clearing to
- killing the nether ray you are trying to wrangle
- running around and tagging all the mobs in an area
- only killing "good" shared-spawn mobs (whichever version of the mob drops your quest item, does not give you the annoying debuff, or whatever the case may be), leaving you to clean up all the other ones
Sure, one or two of those things might be actionable offenses, but sitting around and waiting for a GM to respond to your ticket kind of defeats the whole purpose. I would much rather just kill the other person a few times and get back to farming in peace.
To be honest, I am really a carebear at heart. I thought I would fit in just fine on a PvE server. I love world PvP, but I rarely attack people because I feel like a dick inconveniencing them when I can go do arena or BGs against people who want to PvP. I do not gank lowbies. Ever. I usually give people plenty of warning that they are not welcome before I attack them outright (/shoo, /no, /shoo, /sigh, /shoo, /disappoint, etc.) I even do my best to avoid killing anyone below 70, even when they really deserve it (like when lowbies try to heal someone I am fighting).
On paper the PvE thing seemed like a really good idea. I did not enjoy it though. In the end, you are just trading one set of annoyances for another.
**On paper the PvE thing seemed like a really good idea. I did not enjoy it though. In the end, you are just trading one set of annoyances for another.**
Can't really say a more encompassing statement about WoW in general....
"Personally, I have no regrets. I rolled a PvE server when I first
started WoW and I haven't looked back. Looking back, I would have to
say that I regret rolling PvE"
Yeap, that's the joke there
I'm slow on the uptake, sosueme.
I rolled on a PvP server since i started playing WoW and i wouldn't trade it for the world. When i decided where to roll, i first searched around a bit to find a PvP server with lower rogue population and where alliance outnumbers horde. I rolled horde, of course. I leveled 3 70s on that server, and a bunch of other toons around 30-50 range. I'm not sorry. I tried a toon on a pve server but couldn't get it over lvl 12.
The first and foremost reason PvP servers are so awesome is perhaps the choice. On a PvP server you can choose if you wanna kill that lowly gnome, help him out, or whatever. I still remember, and never will forget, the time when i wanted to make the ZF mallet, back in the day when the troll cunts at altar of zul were elites. After 40 mins of looking for hordes to help me out, i went there all by myself, only to find a gnome mage trying to do the exact same thing all by himself. Through emotes, he understood my intentions, we killed the elites, he got his mallet, but sat down patiently waiting for them to respawn, then helped me get mine. Now, that's RPG. That's choice right there.
I did both during my played hours, i killed and i helped members of the opposing faction, according to the situation. You don't have that kind of choice on a PvE server. That's my number one reason to roll on PvP.
There's also the benefits. Among my favourite are:
- getting jumped by some ally, only to feast on his corpse moments later
- stunlocking a tank in a world boss encounter
- ironforge ganking
- isle of quel'danas (best thing in tbc)
I did have bad moments, yes. Being ganked 5 times in 5 mins from tarren mill to dalaran ain't funny. But i ate it up, or logged in my main, and that was that.
Another thing is, on a PvP server you can pretty much do anything you want, pvp, pve, whatever. On my server, EU-Jaedenar, we have 5 horde guilds that downed illidan. I'm not in any of them, but i still saw the insides of BT and i was there when 3 of the bosses there fell to our raid. But being able to keep my options open is what still makes this game fun.
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